Episode 18 - Landscapes to Living Spaces: The Helikson Brothers' Journey
Welcome to another insightful episode of The BreakThrough Podcast! I'm your host, Stephen Husted, and today we explore the dynamic worlds of construction and real estate entrepreneurship with two innovative industry figures, Carter and Larson Helikson of Helikson Brothers. The Helikson Brothers share their journey from initial landscaping efforts to thriving house flips and new construction ventures, each contributing unique skills to their fluid business dynamics. Based in Eugene, Oregon, they reveal their social media strategy, rooted in authenticity and relatable content, which resonates deeply with their audience.
Takeaway 1: Valuable Content Creation and Social Media Strategy Discover how Carter and Larson leverage social platforms to connect authentically with their audience, showcasing their construction and real estate projects. Learn the importance of crafting valuable content that reflects industry expertise and resonates with a niche audience.
Takeaway 2: Navigating Industry Challenges and Business Expansion Explore the complexities of permit processes and regulatory hurdles in construction and real estate ventures, and how the Helikson Brothers overcome these challenges. Gain insights into strategies for scaling and expanding a construction and real estate business in a competitive market.
Takeaway 3: Market Trends and Innovative Approaches Dive into emerging market trends and design inspirations shaping the construction and real estate landscape, as shared by Carter and Larson. Uncover innovative approaches distinguishing the Helikson Brothers in a competitive industry.
TRANSCRIPT
∎ Teaser / Highlighted Clip
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (0:00 - 0:58)
It's not built for the weak, you know, it's it's a it's a it's a trade or it's a industry that the trades are You know dying and that's what I've seen is people our age aren't really doing them anymore and it's so it's really a Really detrimental thing to what we got going on because everything is is involved with this I mean you got to any new buildings getting built any new roads getting paved any new You know anything that goes on within society is it's built around construction really absolutely and built by construction So, you know, it's it's tough to kind of you know, see it kind of almost be dying just because it is hard But you know, it's it's something that I've that we've actually tried to use our social media with to get more people into you know Hey get into the trades, you know, you can if you're not sure what to go to high school get into the trades you'll make a probably a lot more money than any of your buddies that are going to school and and You know, you're gonna learn it like a hands-on skill that that a lot of people won't necessarily get to do
∎ Podcast Intro:
[Stephen Husted] (0:58 - 3:59)
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∎ Guest Introduction:
Hey everyone, welcome to another awesome episode of the breakthrough with Stephen Husted today We're diving deep into the world of real estate and construction with two brothers who've turned their landscaping roots into a groundbreaking business Get ready to be inspired as we chat with Carter and Larson the dynamic duo known as the hillockson brothers From mowing lawns to crafting unique homes. Their journey is nothing short of a modern-day success story in this episode We'll trace their path from teenage entrepreneurs and landscaping to becoming key players in the real estate and construction scene They're shared their insights into their innovative design approach their beginnings in house flipping and their hurdles They've overcame also the hillockson brothers spill the secrets on how they leverage social media platforms like tik-tok and YouTube to showcase their projects and connect with a wider audience Join us as we uncover the keys to their success the importance of staying focused and get a sneak peek into their future ventures This is the breakthrough with Stephen Husted the podcast where we break down barriers in the real estate world. Let's dive in.
∎ Podcast Proper:
[Stephen Husted] (2:59 - 3:00)
Hey guys
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (3:02 - 3:03)
How you doing?
[Stephen Husted] (3:03 - 3:59)
Good man. Thanks for jumping on.
I'm glad that I got both of you I didn't know if this was going to be the team, but I'm super excited that you're both on it today. This is great I Want to start by saying that about a month ago? I reached out to you guys to get you on the podcast and part of the reason was is One of the videos that I saw that you guys put out That was insane You know, I knew it was a real it was a real estate related video I know it's about construction, but just the AI and how you guys structured that piece of content.
It was out of this world not only that One thing I did notice about it that resonated with me was it's something that I typically don't see out there And it's not for everybody, but it's for the right people and that's you know, that is for sure Why don't you give us a little background on you guys Yeah, for sure you do.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (4:00 - 5:06)
Yes. I'm Carter and this is Larson and So we we've grown up just always loving real estate always is really into that sort of stuff, you know Recently has kind of gotten into the social media sort of thing, but we started out a long time ago I started the landscaping company when I was, you know, 13 14 years old did that all the way through high school Once Larson was old enough. He started ripping it with me That put me through the first little bit of college.
I ended up dropping out of school because I was not into college and then we started ramping up all of our business around here building fences doing concrete that sort of thing and saved up a bunch of money and and bought our first flip house and Me and Larson just kind of did it one step at a time and YouTube tutorials if you didn't know what we were doing and And just kind of figured it out one thing and one thing after another and ended up doing really well and you know got got I wouldn't say lucky but got blessed with with some decent market conditions and And then from there, we just haven't looked back.
We've just kind of said screw it We're we're going full bore into the new construction Flips real estate kind of all the construction side of things and really amping up on that sort of stuff.
[Stephen Husted] (5:07 - 5:10)
Yeah, it's great Who who does what in the business?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (5:11 - 6:15)
So what I do is I handle all the job site. So I'm on the job site every day. I handle our employees I'm telling them what to do.
I'm running to the store for you to get something Skin our plan dialed in on the job site for that day. Make sure everything's running efficiently Yeah, yeah, so I Larson well Larson's kind of they're doing the the day-to-day kind of making sure that we're we're following our schedule And everything I'm in the back end. I that's what I do.
I handle the more the business side of things I handle the schedule I handle the books the payroll the insurances the licenses the you know All of this stuff that kind of goes in along with new new Place acquisition. So when we're looking for new deals when we're looking when I got to go out do quotes for customers You know kind of does all the kind of other stuff that doesn't necessarily get seen and so it works out really nicely because Me Larson can do one person's job Really well because we have two people and so it you know It's it's definitely a huge benefit that a lot of other owner operators and kind of people don't have and it's allowed us to really Grow a lot quicker and be a lot more efficient and and do our job a lot better because we have the two of us Together doing it.
[Stephen Husted] (6:15 - 6:33)
Yeah, that's great. And from what it sounds like to You both have very opposite skill sets which can merge together, which is a big key You don't you don't want to be the you know The same skill sets because then you're kind of have a hole in your game, so to speak exactly
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (6:33 - 7:04)
Oh, yeah, you definitely don't want that but we do still like to work together on some things like we both love designing the house Together so that big component that yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, they're doing that.
We love designing a house our social media We do that together. So we any have like any ideas will bounce back with each other So so there's like the business that will work together and obviously we have our strengths and our weaknesses and you know five weakness You know to pass the car because he'll be he'll be good He's not good at something. He'll pass it off me because I'll be good at it So like we try to bounce it off until you know play to our strengths and our weaknesses That's a perfect way to do it.
[Stephen Husted] (7:04 - 7:10)
Who's the who's the general contractor? Do you just do you have a license that under for both of you or no?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (7:10 - 8:32)
So I actually I actually do hold the license So we I got it fairly a while ago actually and and I think at the time Larson actually wasn't 18 You gotta be 18 in the state of Oregon to get your license And so so I did get the license and it's really nice so because I can hold the license pretty much do everything Larson can be on-site and be fully In charge of everything and fully, you know Basically the safety manager because we have to have somebody who's responsible for you know The safety of everybody and all that sort of good stuff And also our dad works with us too, and he's OSHA trained on all that sort of good stuff So we kind of have a family business going on with it But but that works out really well, so yeah, so I hold the license on that and things And it really just allows me to kind of when I'm not necessary there I can do the trainings and the continuing education and all the kind of stuff that is really kind of a pain in the ass But you gotta do it and I keep keep your stuff going and you're the agent too. I am.
Yep Yep, so I'm the agent also that very recently within the last like six months or so We kind of got tired of paying so much money for everybody else selling our stuff when we finished up or buying our stuff or whatever and And so I was like, you know what? Let's just do it and we were gonna both do it But then we kind of again decided, you know Let's let's let's take advantage of our having two people and it doesn't mean we don't need to both have it It doesn't really make sense. Yeah
[Stephen Husted] (8:32 - 9:04)
One's enough and I think it's just a good flow to have You're basically like the project manager boots on the ground making sure things are getting done on a daily basis, which is huge in construction yeah, I know that firsthand from you know, we invest I live in California and we vest out-of-state and You got a micromanage contractors, you know And you don't know what's getting done If you don't have somebody that can overlook your contractor or just make sure that your subs are doing what they need to be doing Things go sideways quick and cost you money.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (9:05 - 9:35)
Oh, yeah He will try to take advantage of us cuz like we'll see that we're both pretty young like all they you know I mean and at the start we were a little naive. We thought everybody's doing job But you know, yeah, you learn quickly I guess cuz we've definitely had employees take advantage of us try to not work not work here You know, just try to basically collect a paycheck doing anything. No pretty soon you learn and so definitely like there are I guess learning from that like Definitely learn that like people will take advantage of like you got to be on the jobs every day being on people You know make sure stuff's getting done.
[Stephen Husted] (9:35 - 10:23)
Absolutely 100% and you know over time You know when you start to put years into this and you got a huge network and you got 20-30 properties going because you really don't know Where this could potentially go, especially from what I see online. You just don't know I mean you probably have a vision of what you'd like to do, but five years from now it could be a completely different vision, honestly, but People will then start to gravitate to want to work with you because they're gonna know they're gonna have guaranteed work For a full year and then some and Those are gonna be your you know The top tier subs because they're gonna do great work because they're gonna you're gonna keep them employed and that's a big problem I think in construction is you get a lot of bad apples and they turn in burn
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (10:24 - 12:26)
It's a it's been some we've dealt with and I mean It's it's very hard because that's kind of another thing that I try to do is, you know I'm always looking for new people, especially when we're really busy and we're kind of in our slow time right now but thankfully we've we found a core group of guys that have been really, you know, really been awesome for us and done a Lot of good stuff and and you know trustworthy and all that or all that stuff. But yeah, it's it's tough It's one of the hardest, you know industries to find, you know people that are willing to stick around if they're solid or you know Kind of you just get people bounce around all the time or people with issues whether it's alcohol or drugs It is, you know, it's a it's a it's a very tough industry to have solid just you know People that are you know on top of it and that sort of thing. So why is that I Think it's because I think it's because it kind of sucks it a lot of times, you know, like it's it's tough It's it's a lot of work And especially around here, you know, obviously, I'm sure you guys get a little better weather But you know four or five months out of the year, we're getting a lot of rain and we do a lot of stuff outside You know, so it's not It's not built for the weak, you know, it's it's a it's a it's a trade or it's a industry that the trades are you know dying and that's what I've seen is people our age aren't really doing them anymore and it's so it's really a Really detrimental thing to what we got going on because everything is is involved with this I mean you got to any new buildings getting built any new roads getting paved any new Anything that goes on within society is it's built around construction really absolutely and built by construction So, you know, it's it's tough to kind of you know, see it kind of almost be dying just because it is hard But you know, it's it's something that I've that we've actually tried to use our social media with to get more people into you know Hey get into the trades, you know, you can if you're not sure what to go to high school get into the trades you'll make a probably a lot more money than any of your buddies that are going to school and and You know, you're gonna learn it like a hands-on skill that that a lot of people won't necessarily get to do
[Stephen Husted] (12:27 - 13:17)
And and that a robot maybe not replace exactly. Yeah, I mean the AI can't do and something Yes, you know you actually need a human to do it, you know Absolutely, and I think too, you know, especially with like the trades like electrical Plumbing, you know, it might not sound very sexy. But boy if you can Get the right Business around you and learn the business Boy, it will pay you and then some I've had a lot of friends That are plumbers run a plumbing company.
They're multi millionaires. Oh, yeah, and they do other things, too So that's just one of their that's like the the the day-to-day cash flow business so to speak But then they have other business on top of that Totally. Yeah, I think people just don't understand
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (13:17 - 13:59)
It's like I mean, I know people that you know, I've gotten to know Fred, you know come friends within the industry You know, whether it's you know, all sorts of different trade companies that are out driving g-wagons and Rari's, you know So it's like, you know, it's it's it might not be the prettiest of work But I mean I find it to be a little more Satisfactory just because I can I can use my hands to do something obviously Larson is on site a little more than me and he's Probably out swinging the hammer maybe a little more than me But even when I get a chance to get out there, it's it's it's something great Plus it's physically you're moving your body and it's and it's healthy for you, too For the most part as long as you're not hurting your back too much, you know, it's healthy for you, too You know, so I think I think there's a lot of benefits that a lot of people don't necessarily see
[Stephen Husted] (14:01 - 14:02)
But see the older ones.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (14:02 - 14:04)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
[Stephen Husted] (14:04 - 15:13)
Don't you notice that? I well, here's the thing. I Know for a fact and I'm gonna say it as a fact That you guys could Be have a plumbing company electrical company any kind of company in construction and you would absolutely crush your competition Just on the fact that you guys put out valuable content, whether it's edgy or funny You're doing something that 95% of the old-timers don't do Mm-hmm, and that brings that audience to you Especially if you're educating, you know you I know you could do that with plumbing as well I know it's not a sexy thing but you could have your plumbers going out and filming really crazy things that are going on plumbing and You know people will follow it for whatever reason they do but then you're top of mind and It's just a different way to build a business this day and like how your guys are doing it right now Look at we're on a conversation right now. You're on my podcast and that came from a one-minute Real where you were dropping f-bombs about the Karen next door
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (15:15 - 15:25)
I was just I was gonna ask what video that That was that you guys actually seen because you know, we put out a few different ones, but it was it was a it was Karen Okay, I was curious
[Stephen Husted] (15:25 - 16:08)
Yeah, and the first thing I see it I'm like, oh these boys are taking it there This is this is act, you know, and and I get it and I also resonated with the walkthrough one you did When you're just dropping all these crazy comments through that and and it's Things that most agents would never do ever ever Because you're too afraid of their seller or the buyers or you know, whatever Their their image online, whatever the case may be but most of them Would say that behind closed doors
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (16:08 - 17:57)
Mm-hmm, exactly like that's what I found Larson actually wrote the AI voice Karen one. I was like he wrote that one so he gets credit for that But you know, it's it's funny because you know, most people 90 plus percent of people are Totally normal people who talk like, you know, we might talk on camera and might put out there You know and you know for the people that aren't and that would would become offended by it We don't I don't want to work for them We don't want to work for them because that's we want to work for people that are gonna be good for that We're gonna be good for them, but they're also me good for us And that's what a lot of people in this in this industry don't realize is that We're not just working for you.
I mean it has to be a good Relationship both ways because you know, I mean we we've taken jobs before as far as construction jobs You know go really in the early days more like, you know smaller jobs Where people you know, we took the jaws because well, you know, we don't want to turn down work whatever But I kind of knew just from the start the customer was gonna be a pain in the ass for X Y or Z reasons You know and but you know, we kind of ignore some of the red flags behind of people and to say hey, well, it's work It's money. It's it's you know, whatever and we kind of do it and then we realize, you know, we get into it It's total pain in the ass and it's really sucks and it becomes a nightmare that just kind of tumbles into more problems more problems So, you know, not only is it are we looking are they looking for contractors as far as the contracting side of things? But we're looking for good customers, you know, we can't we can't just Work to work, you know, we have to make sure it's gonna be beneficial to you know The both of us and and the company and and everything like that So how How has that been Working out for you guys now that you've been putting out content in it.
[Stephen Husted] (17:58 - 18:13)
It it it blew up We can say that are you getting contacted? by homeowners New buyers like who's who's reaching out to you right now? And what does that conversation look like when they do reach out to you guys?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (18:14 - 18:51)
Wellers and a lot from our ads I see a lot of people want exciting a lot of fences some home builds and It's it's honestly we get a few around here But we get all from all all around the country people are asking us to fly I got one guy asking us to fly to South Dakota Well, I asked him to go to San Diego and like we'd love to do that But right now we just obviously, you know can't get too much going on here But definitely the social media has helped our business a lot. We've got a lot of people hitting us up around here Especially and hey, you know, can you come give us a bid here? We want this done.
We aren't this and so the social media is definitely Elevated our business a bunch I would say
[Stephen Husted] (18:52 - 19:41)
Yeah, I it has to I mean just from looking at it from you know, a bird's-eye view and knowing that industry my brother is a contractor for Probably about 20 years and then he retired and became a city inspector So, you know, I know that industry I've seen and I've seen where it's coming where it's going now and Just what I saw from you guys. I went okay, they're gonna They're gonna blow up and they're probably gonna have Some ups and downs with it, too Because of just like what you just said about everybody reaching out.
You're gonna have to learn how to Say no a lot Do you know I mean to stay hyper focused on? The mission because yeah Does that make sense?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (19:41 - 20:03)
No, that's that you're 100% right? I mean, that's kind of where we've been trying to you know Balance everything and it's been kind of tough because you know, we've had a lot of different just a lot of different things You know reach now people reach now us trying to balance still working still making sure we're Taking care of the next steps are doing our doing our our due diligence on everything But yeah, it's you're totally right on that end of things.
[Stephen Husted] (20:03 - 20:13)
It's it's a it's definitely a balancing act for sure so besides Managing subs and making sure people are doing what they're doing. What other problems have you been running into?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (20:14 - 22:03)
Lately, I would say I would say, you know, it's it's really a balancing I mean Larson and I are you know, we consider us very For for the age very, you know knowledgeable about everything but you know, everybody's learning new things every day I mean I have you know people that are in the industry that I go go You know get lunch with or go get a beer with that are doing this for 30 plus years and every single day They're running into stuff.
That's new. I mean the city You know the city of Eugene is is one of our biggest struggles and the permitting and and that sort of thing We have a really rough You know issue with that and hopefully, you know, they're not they're not hearing any of this but but they're they're they're big pain in my ass and that's one thing again, I deal with kind of on the back end of things and For example, we do these things called stormwater planters here because we have so much rain and so any Additions that you do to houses or any new construction builds any rainwater that comes off of these buildings has to be filtered into this Essentially planter box that has a certain type of plants and a certain amount of rock and dirt and all this other You know little details and then before can actually go to the street So it has to be filtered through these plants and rocks before can actually go street and it's like it adds You know $15,000 to a project cost and the city could care less because they're they're not paying for it But they're gonna come out and you know Check it ten times and whatever, you know XYZ.
So, you know, it's things like that. It's things with the city I think have been a huge problem for us the learning curve of that and the things I had never done a lot of this As of you know a couple of you know, you're a year and a half ago two years ago, whatever And so learning a lot of that stuff was was a big curve for it learning curve for us was You know kind of how to do that and finding the ways to go about that and you know the most efficient way
[Stephen Husted] (22:04 - 22:05)
When was it implemented?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (22:07 - 22:11)
This was in the last like four or five years last like five years.
[Stephen Husted] (22:11 - 22:20)
Yeah, pretty pretty recently yeah, so every time you do a new build or you have to do like a new like a So is it only for new builds or what are they doing for existing?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (22:21 - 23:11)
Oh, it's it's anything over so I got a house that we're doing a flip on and we say hey We want to build a 80 you on it or we want to build a do a master bath Edition or something and if it's over a certain amount of square feet and over a certain amount of lot size Then they're gonna make you add that to the property because of the impervious area that you're creating with this new building part It's you know to me. It seems really really dumb, but you know, you know, I'm sure they got some sort of reasoning for it That you're not alone, I'm in San Jose, California, but it's just yeah I'm sure.
Yeah, the what? Yeah, the West Coast with how they handle it seems like some of the the city rulings I've heard, you know, it just is a nightmare I've got a couple buddies that are down in California to that do the same sort of stuff and it just does not seem it Does not seem like a whole lot of fun that for sure.
[Stephen Husted] (23:11 - 24:30)
No, you just have to learn how to play the game Yeah, I think that's it's all it comes down to it at points you know, we we're getting ready to flip a property in in this part of San Jose called Willow Glen and the permits their short staff at the city and permits can take you know anywhere from six to eight months for the most part and I just Stayed in such good communication with our architect and we've just been moving as quick as we possibly can It seems like we're going in the right direction But he sent me a message a couple days ago and said hey The reviewer is a third party and this is good news. I was like, oh, that's interesting So basically they're outsourcing the permit review process to a third party to speed it up Well, that's I guess all positive.
I think that's a positive. I think that's what they're doing. I'm gonna find out but Yeah, we hear the stories we see it with our clients, you know Timelines are just blown out of the water which makes it tough if you're doing any type of flip with hard money, you know You're you're carrying costs.
So I don't know how it is out and you how long does it take? To do, you know, let's just say you're just maybe you're adding 400 square feet and you're gonna flip a property What's the timeline look like for for permits?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (24:31 - 25:22)
We're looking at usually about Three weeks to a month to get plan review and then you know a week or two to do Revisions and then you know another week or two after that to get it submitted But that's saying you already have plans taken care of and plans ready to roll So, I mean, that's the biggest thing is when we get a property we have to have our architects Ready to go six months ahead I mean we're working on projects that we already planned in the spring with the architect right now so that we're Not waiting on that because that's kind of the biggest thing is and the city for the most part around here seems to approve stuff Fairly easily, you know, there's not a ton of revision But but you know, that's that's kind of just again part of my job is planning and staying ahead of the game Keep it on top of stuff and and going from there, you know So it's kind of like kind of how we try to you know, keep on top of the ball
[Stephen Husted] (25:23 - 25:25)
Do both you guys live close to each other?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (25:26 - 25:50)
Yeah. Yeah, so we're actually building our house right now. So we're actually living together right now We we spend a lot of time together probably more than we want at certain points in times But yeah, we're actually building one of our projects that we just bought we're building for a property for personal property for us Um, and they'll will end up turning into a rental down the road, but built building personal property for us right now
[Stephen Husted] (25:50 - 25:58)
Yeah, that's great. What what are you building? What's the what's the bedroom count bathroom?
And are you doing an ADU? What are you what are you doing on it?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (25:58 - 26:17)
So we are doing the ADU it's a four bed two and a half bath at the main house and that two bed one bath as the ADU and We figure out if we want to do an Airbnb, you know shorter rental We're still figuring all that stuff out right now, but because we're just in the building stage. But yes, it's that It'll be it'll be a nice house for us.
[Stephen Husted] (26:17 - 26:28)
I will say I think so how much so tell me break down this deal did you buy a piece of land and Is that the the way you went or was it an existing home and you're tearing it down and building?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (26:29 - 28:39)
So we so we actually we've done this a couple times now We actually we bought a couple houses that we planned on just being flips and Ended up tearing them down Which is a little tough financially sometimes but we look at it from a from an aspect of You know longevity for the most part and quality of builds We really don't like to just slap lipstick on a pig for our projects You know, we're that's kind of what sets apart from a lot of the other flippers and builders in town I would say is that we we really try to Do a lot nicer more quality work, you know We don't necessarily at this point in time have the capital to do 20 30 flips a year Although that's where we're headed and where we're trying to go, but we do, you know quarter of that sort of thing And so we want to make our projects really stand out so that people know Hey, we're buying a helix and homes build, you know, we know that they're gonna be a quality build You know, it's gonna you know, have all all the cool amenities all the cool nice stuff stuff and touches all that good stuff You know, but they know that it's gonna be a better build than what you might buy from somebody else You know a lot of these people around here do cut corners and a lot of builders everywhere I guess cut corners and that sort of thing.
So we definitely try to be on top of it But yeah, anyways, we tore it down to the ground and did about a 1200 square foot addition And then obviously we're gonna be building the ADU also. So it's it's our Eugene is very based in like the valley So we have hills To the southern side and to the northern side and then to the eastern side you got kind of Excuse me the other town and then to the western side you got kind of the wetlands So like we're kind of contained on where you can actually build as far as new construction goes And so we you know for the areas that we like to be in that are still, you know Kind of we're still in the young with you know young age so we like to still be around kind of what's popping and and be able to go down and and You know be close to the to the downtown area and close to the you know, whatever all the lively spots of town so we that's kind of the only benefit of doing these tear downs is is You buy this kind of the the crummiest house shittiest house around and knock her down and and build something a lot nicer
[Stephen Husted] (28:40 - 28:59)
Yeah, that's smart. So how far away from let's say you're you're downtown. Are you?
Probably six seven minutes real close Yeah long term if you guys Just keep doing this scenario. Yeah, pretty good.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (28:59 - 29:51)
Yeah. I mean Eugene's definitely growing me We're definitely a big college space town, you know, I'm the university organ the huge part of of this area You know with especially with football and and the athletics and all that sort of good stuff So, I mean, it's it's huge. I mean the the campus population in the last 15-20 years is like doubled So, I mean, you know, there's a lot more people coming into town while we're people moving into town It's it's definitely a growing area for sure so, I mean that's kind of our goal is to keep some of these properties and and and hold on to them and you know use it to kind of build our portfolio of stuff and and and Grow grow that way. Yeah, just not in the last five years.
They build about like seven or eight 12 13 story apartment complexes right around our neighborhood. So we try to keep an eye on that see Hey, well, you know the guys with all the money are building here Maybe we should try and get our little spot while we can do, you know
[Stephen Husted] (29:52 - 30:03)
Absolutely, you're they're doing all the market research for you guys Once you see go up then you just know it's it makes sense I was just gonna ask you that too about like the student housing is is that a thing is multi-units a
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (30:03 - 30:59)
Just like Larson was say, I mean there's some for Eugene standards some massive buildings going up, you know It's probably three four hundred unit buildings You know and big, you know what we would consider kind of the the Skyscrapers of Eugene sort of thing, you know the the biggest buildings around for sure Because before I mean as I was saying, you know five years ago six years ago There was really the student housing was just the dorms pretty much on campus and that sort of thing And there wasn't a whole lot else, you know, you had all the neighborhood houses and that sort of thing but now it's a ton of apartments and Just everything's growing growing up jeans definitely growing up rather than out you know and that sort of thing, so that's kind of the that's kind of what he was saying kind of what we've been watching and Trying to follow it behind the footsteps of the people that are spending the you know Hundred million dollars on the projects, you know, and and if they're doing it there must be something they're doing, right?
[Stephen Husted] (31:00 - 31:20)
So yeah, absolutely. And you know that Everything happens for a reason as time goes on, you know, that could be you guys That's the goal You just you just don't know you start to see it and you naturally I mean you're already how old are you guys I'm 23.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (31:20 - 31:21)
I'm 20.
[Stephen Husted] (31:22 - 31:29)
Oh My gosh Yeah Great good for you guys.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (31:29 - 31:30)
Appreciate it.
[Stephen Husted] (31:30 - 32:10)
I know sometimes running businesses You know, you're grinding it out and you got all these things going on left and right that sometimes you miss You know seeing the growth that you you're getting You know, but people from the outside see in you know it and you keep this direction and keep level head You know both of you You'll do good Real states one of those like you stay with it for a long period of time and it pays off big time Especially if you get these properties, you know, you hold on to 10 to 15 properties at 20.
They're gonna be paid off By the time you're 40.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (32:10 - 32:10)
Mm-hmm.
[Stephen Husted] (32:11 - 32:24)
If you think about it, right and somebody's gonna be paying The mortgage and you know, you'll have cash flow and appreciation and depreciation all the tax benefits Yeah I have a question for you.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (32:24 - 33:00)
I have a question for you actually So what's it so like what have you seen obviously we kind of do a lot of social media stuff as far as Advertising and that sort of simply as far as the real estate stuff goes What have you found to be like, you know The most beneficial marketing tool because I actually one of the houses we just finished I have on the market Right now for sale and you know as you know The with the rates and the prices of everything and all that sort of stuff, you know It's pretty slow at least around here for sure You know a lot of houses just sitting and you know I've tried a lot of different out-of-the-box kind of marketing techniques and tools and obviously we try to use that benefit or the benefit of Our social media as much as possible.
[Stephen Husted] (33:01 - 33:27)
But what kind of have you seen like you you success with and kind of that sort of stuff mostly the sponsored ads on Instagram Facebook ads targeted Facebook ads Definitely will do it But that's typically What we're doing For our properties. Do you if you are you doing that on yours?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (33:28 - 34:48)
Yeah. Yeah, we definitely had been I I was really trying to Target kind of out of actually out of eugene area people because you know the house that we just finished building. It's It doesn't necessarily sit as your standard vgene style home.
It's a very Modern Style build that we did it has a lot of different touches that you don't see around here So I was you know looking at kind of the West Coast hubs of cities, you know, Seattle Portland Bend, you know Bay Area LA, you know Phoenix all that kind of sort of stuff Kind of trying to market towards those areas to try to get somebody that hey, we're moving away from you know This area for whatever reason, you know moving here. So, you know, this would be a great opportunity so that was kind of my my You know idea behind doing that But yeah A lot of the Facebook ad Instagram ads that sort of thing trying to get people that are from out of the area you know kind of bringing them in or at least bring eyeballs to the Opportunity for that because I know we have seen a pretty good as far as Oregon goes I think for the number two city that's been moved into in 2022 2023 So, you know, we're seeing the biggest influx of people In the state and so we've been trying to you know, capitalize on them that are coming in there to see where
[Stephen Husted] (34:49 - 34:51)
Who's moving? Where are they moving from?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (34:52 - 35:35)
Yeah York a lot of Californians. Yeah, we've seen a fair amount of New York Fairmont, Texas Actually, I've been trying to stay up on all the new studies that they're doing You know showing people are from like migration a lot of people from Hawaii actually and a lot of people from like Denver area So, you know, we've seen kind of a lot of different areas kind of, you know, kind of all over pretty sporadic honestly And all pretty evenly Based, you know kind of different areas. So a lot of California.
I mean, California is definitely the number one Bay area is like kind of the number one, you know Orange County Bay area is kind of the two hubs that have been seemingly shifting up towards a towards Eugene
[Stephen Husted] (35:36 - 35:46)
Is Oregon the same way as like Idaho when it comes to it seems like people that move from California No matter where they go that people get pissed off like we're not we're not quite that bad
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (35:46 - 36:33)
It seems like to me. I mean, I don't know. I I don't think it as much people are pretty I don't know People are pretty relaxed around here.
I think a lot of people actually would like to see Eugene become a bigger hub You know, I mean Oregon just doesn't really have that many big city type, you know vibes except for Portland and Portland You know is just so different, you know, so odd in so many ways And so, you know a little bit Eugene still has some of those qualities But it's a little more a little bit more settled down a little toned down from Portland I would say yeah, and I don't think people get too angry when people move here.
I know I Welcome, I think more people should move here. I think it's a beautiful state. I think it's a great city here I mean the landscape is great.
It's never too hot. It's never too cold in winters And I mean, it's always green around here So I love it, but I incur I think people should move to Oregon.
[Stephen Husted] (36:33 - 36:42)
I think it's a great state What do you guys what what is a your guys's a outdoor activities? What do you like to do? So we both like to golf.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (36:42 - 38:05)
We both like to fish we almost like Yeah, I mean yeah golfing and fishing definitely takes up a good amount of time we we like to go You know, we're we like to go so we're about an hour from the coast So, you know, we'll go out sometimes and go run around on the beach trip Take they take take our trucks out to the beach, you know Razors all that sort of stuff to the beach and then we're about an hour and a half the mountain. So going skiing Heading over to Mount Batchelor and and hitting the in the snow and it was hit the slopes in the winter time when we get snow I mean, unfortunately, we've we've kind of been in lately it seems like the last couple years haven't got a very big snow season, but but yeah, so we'll we'll go do that and and Yeah year-round. We'll try to play as much golf as we can when it's nice outside and and we've got a couple buddies I do a lot of fishing and so thankfully we've been they take us out fishing and and do some fun fishing We have a great steelhead salmon run around here Pretty much all year round you can fish for either one.
And so Yeah, we've got that going on. So yeah, it's kind of a it's a mix of a lot of different activities A lot of different fun We love to go to the duck football games when the ducks are playing all the duck athletics actually But but the football games are kind of on the on on the top of the list So we love to kind of show support for that too. And and and and that's a lot of fun most of them.
[Stephen Husted] (38:05 - 38:10)
I Didn't know that Eugene was so close to the coast Yeah.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (38:10 - 38:17)
Yeah, so we're not very far. Yeah, even if if you're if you're ripping it fast, you're 45 minutes 15 minutes there Interesting that's similar.
[Stephen Husted] (38:18 - 39:10)
So I live in San Jose and Santa Cruz is You know on a on a fast day 35 minutes slow day, maybe 45 You know, and I think that's I love having that kind of option to Kind of be in the valley get the mounds and then can be at the beach, too Exactly. Yeah, there's a huge benefit to that. I mean, especially in California It's expensive to live here.
You know, you have to really you have to grind it out unless you work in tech, but yeah, we We pay to have the weather and the amenities, I mean we just have a lot of great things to do around us so it's really hard to leave for you know a More cost-effective area to live and leave that behind. I just don't know another place that would you know? Compare.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (39:11 - 39:31)
Yeah. Yeah in my eyes. Yeah, what is what is like the cost of you know, your average home out there right now?
Yeah, like average home like, you know something that you know, yeah Yeah, like not even fixed up original one for one five.
[Stephen Husted] (39:31 - 39:32)
Oh, wow.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (39:32 - 39:33)
Yeah. Well, that's yeah
[Stephen Husted] (39:33 - 40:12)
That is pretty that is it is crazy about 1.5 for a you know, 1,200 square foot You know original maybe a little bit remodeled over the years in Willow Glen would go for that on a on a nice Street Yes depends on locations, you know, San Jose is a really big area and there's just all these different little micro markets You know, you have East San Jose you got North you got West you got Willow Glen you got Cambrian So they're all they're a little different price points. So to speak to pay depending on schools and you know location of downtown So but Silicon Valley the coast it's pricey
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (40:12 - 40:14)
Yeah, everything's pricey
[Stephen Husted] (40:15 - 40:37)
One thing I don't know if this is something you guys are allowed to do in Oregon, but we just passed AB 1033 which it allows us to Let's say you got a single-family home you you build an ADU You can now take that ADU and sell it as a condo
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (40:39 - 41:24)
That's we we've been actually looking into that I don't think Eugene's passed that yet Like that that kind of city code sort of thing But but we've been looking into that because they're they're allowing a lot of multifamily And they're calling it middle housing kind of new projects that pretty much allow you to just Build the entire lot of your property can just be you know housing sort of thing And and Because again because we don't have that area to spread out We really need to build up or build, you know bigger on what we got as far as the CV gene goes, so it's a It's definitely something we've been trying to take advantage of and look into you know as soon as as soon as possible to really, you know, make our projects as
[Stephen Husted] (41:25 - 44:22)
Beneficial to us as we can I would fully encourage you guys to really you know Explore that, you know from time to time and keep that you know in the back of your head I think it would be another Another source of revenue and growth Mm-hmm, you know you get the flips going you got your you got your clients your long-term clients that you deal with You know on a yearly basis and then you're building out this other type of you know investment That you know, it's gonna pay you one. It's gonna help you reduce your taxes. That's gonna be a big one for you guys You get the cash flow and it's gonna get the appreciation.
So it's a big play right now a Lot of the contractors that I know We're just all fired up trying to figure out how we're gonna take and do the highest use per lot Meaning if we got a two one nine hundred square foot home on a nine thousand square foot lot What is the highest use we could do well, what can what is the maximum we can do to this lot? How many units can we put on it now? Not everyone is a fan of this type of scenario.
That's for sure. A lot of people don't even want a to use And in Silicon Valley, you know, they just yeah, they think it's you know, bringing down the neighborhood It's congestion with cars and you know, a lot of the things that homeowners thought we're gonna happen didn't Because it just I think that not everyone's going to build their lot out. Not everyone's gonna do it there's gonna be some that do some of it makes sense in some areas, but we're really looking at properties now where What what's the most we can do the condo selling off the ADO as a condo is really intriguing as well Because if you think about it if I bought a house in the Cambrian area of San Jose and I built a 2-1 2-2 thousand square foot ADU I Know for a fact it's gonna cost 350 to 400 give or take Well, I know what a condo goes for in that location and it's definitely not 400 500 thousand.
Yeah, and you're talking in a neighborhood now you have a neighborhood. You don't have neighbors So to speak you're not, you know Packed on to people you're in you have parking and possibly you'll have a good school district. I Think people are gonna start really doing this and selling them off where you can afford to buy a brand new construction for 700,000 Like I would do that all day long and be in it in a nice neighborhood, so yeah, we'll see where it goes this year is gonna really Tell everybody what's going on.
That's for sure.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (44:22 - 45:17)
So for a lot of you for a lot of your guys they'd use are they Like for for the one we're currently working on on the property that we just bought It's we have alley access on the backside of the property and then okay The front so we have the front of the house will be street access and then the alley the ADU will essentially the front will Face the alley they're kind of back-to-back sort of thing And that's kind of been what we've seen for the most part We for for some customers who want to use them as like personal like mother-in-law suites or that sort of thing We will just build one like back down driveways or whatever Or sometimes we'll do them attached to like above garages, you know kind of there's a there's all sorts of different stuff Kind of that we've done But you know We've seen for the most part the most efficient way that like something like selling it off for like the condo and that side of things Would be the alley access. So what kind of what is your guys that look like down there as far as how do you how? Does the ADU situation look like on that side of things?
[Stephen Husted] (45:18 - 47:25)
so I Think it's gonna be true. I think it's gonna be trick. Here's a good example.
I have a I have a listing in Santa Cruz right now and it is a 100 year old home and it's it's set closer to the sidewalk, right? It's on a 7200 square foot lot All backyards all dirt right now And it's got doesn't have a garage So you could you can basically pay from the front of the house to the back The neighbor to the right has the same size lot same dimensions for the most part and They have a two-story duplex in the back gotcha, but there's plenty of room that they could have another Junior ADU attached to their main house as well So the whoever had the back unit could just you know go up the driveway and get into the back there's plenty of space there I Think it's gonna work for some properties and in some properties.
It won't corner lots Now corner lots That's a big deal Because the privacy you can fence off the backyard The side could be their entrance. They can park their cars there You know, they got two cars or one car and then they can access it's more private I think when it's good to get it tricky is when it's literally you're walking on the side of their house You're just gonna have to understand you're gonna have neighbors But some of the people that have Been reaching out to me or some of my older clients my boomer clients that want to move away You know, they're gonna move to Arizona and they're equity rich right? They own their house outright You know 1.4 million dollars in cash is sitting in their house. They want to retire But some of them want to retire, but they don't want to lose their house in California either so now they want to Build the ADU right sell off the main house and keep the ADU so that they can come back to California
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (47:25 - 48:57)
Yeah Yeah, I think there's definitely endless opportunities that I love it I mean, I think another thing that I've noticed around here and I'm not sure kind of what you know How that compares is down there, but you know, we've seen that a lot of people are less inclined to have big yards and Maintenance landscape and all that other sort of stuff and they'd rather have Outdoor living space but especially right here covered outdoor living space is a huge thing because of all the rain But outdoor living space like outdoor kitchens outdoor kind of TV couch, you know fireplace all that sort of good stuff Rather than have the big, you know open kind of grassy backyard and so building ADU, you know Wouldn't really affect a lot of people because hey, that's just you know less lawn Or that's less, you know plants I have to take care of or whatever And so it seems like to me a lot of people around here, especially the people that are coming in You know, they want low maintenance landscapes with as much house as possible as much, you know potential You know living space as possible whether some of that could be outside or not But that's kind of what I've noticed and kind of what we try to do Take advantage of on on these most recent projects. We've working on is, you know, you know Obviously, we'd like to have a little grass so that people can have dogs or people can have pets and that sort of thing definitely, but but otherwise, you know as much living space as possible because that's kind of Just been a huge Thing around that we've noticed as people aren't necessarily super into the yards aren't super into having to take care of everything and all that sort of stuff
[Stephen Husted] (48:59 - 49:19)
It's so here's an interesting thought here you were explaining the type of Outdoor amenities the covered the the the TVs and everything and I you know, the first thing I thought about Was your walkthrough of that house? It's exactly what you just said, correct?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (49:20 - 49:20)
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[Stephen Husted] (49:20 - 49:38)
Yeah that yeah That that's pretty wild right like you said that and I'm remembering your video walkthrough especially when you you went outside, but the best was when you're in the in the The bathroom and you're talking about them you're making some reference.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (49:39 - 50:24)
I'm like, oh man Yeah, guys The four-year-old virgin or something like that movie. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah No I mean, you know I think it's like people want to you know people want to be able to look at stuff and smile and laugh and and You know find enjoyment out of things that might not necessarily be enjoyable that might be, you know Figure out ways to try to just amplify anything we can do to make us stuff as memorable as possible and stuff as as Unique as possible because you know uniqueness has kind of been our goal and kind of been our niche You know because we have tried to find something that works and and some that's kind of you know Continually gonna be able to be something we can we can grow on.
[Stephen Husted] (50:24 - 50:37)
How do you figure out your design? Inspiration like how did you how do you come about that on a property? Are you using software?
Are you looking at things online or is it how what's that creative process look like?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (50:38 - 51:17)
it's a lot of looking online, so we Don't have any software. We we work with desires in the past our designs in the past haven't been you know 100% great. They haven't given us inside, you know this color this color all that stuff So it's almost everything online.
We'll work together. Sometimes I will bounce ideas back and forth, you know I'll send Carter a picture. I'll send me something but almost everything online We'll go into some stores here and there, you know, just to see, you know Got anything new just to maybe spark some ideas, but I'd say almost 95% we go online We look we find something we like buy something that will work for you know This neighbor or just something that we really enjoy and then we'll just do that
[Stephen Husted] (51:19 - 51:22)
Are you are people talking about the type of work you're doing I
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (51:24 - 53:19)
Would like to say yes, I mean from you know, I mean we give it get a lot of compliments and a lot of things I think We some me and Larson talked about is actually, you know kind of looking into potentially opening up You know kind of some a store around here that would carry some more of these products because so much of the stuff we do Is a hundred percent online, you know, we get we don't Like I mean, I have people coming all the time.
Oh, man, those lights must have been you know $1,000 for pendant lights some and you know, maybe we spent 200 bucks on them or something But you know that we just pick stuff. That's a lot more Out of the box and different than so much stuff around here. I mean we've I try to two or two three houses a week and Larson comes to me a lot of time, you know Just to be able to keep my finger on the pulse of like what other people are doing What are the other builders doing?
How are these and so much stuff? It's just extremely cookie cutter and extremely just kind of bland and vanilla and just not there's no no sauce to it You know, there's no nothing special. It's just all it's all kind of just boring for the most part I mean and people do a lot of really nice stuff I'm not saying there's not other nice houses around because there most certainly is but everything is is very similar You can go into some of these nicer neighborhoods and you walk into ten different houses and they're gonna have all the same finishes all the same colors for the most part just kind of Set up differently, you know, so it's It's a you know, a lot of these builders do a lot of great stuff and and and all that sort of thing But there's there's so many unique things That are out there and you know arsenal hop on Pinterest Hey, what do you think of this?
What do you think of this or on tick tock has been a big one for us? Like a strong to tick tock and you see hey, we love this idea This could be really cool and sometimes works out great. Sometimes it's kind of a you know, not so good But you know, that's kind of the great part about it.
We learn it with it We work with it and if we like how it works we use it again and if we don't we kind of send it to back to the Shit can but you know, it is what it is kind on that side of things
[Stephen Husted] (53:20 - 55:02)
Well, it's a it's a learning process and plus you're not trying to play it safe and that sometimes, you know, yeah, there's some There's some you know thought behind you know playing it safe and doing what other builders are doing because it's just you know, You know that it's gonna probably get sold and people are gonna like it and they can do their own little upgrades But it's good to add some unique scenarios to it and try to push it out so that it kind of puts your own little signature on these properties which That's what they look like because I've seen them and it's interesting too that you it's funny. You use the same type of platforms I'm building out a duplex out in Kansas City right now that I'm turning into a midterm rental and it used to be It used to be an old estate and a doctor owned it and at some point it got turned into a duplex And so I'm gutting it, you know top to bottom Believing all the original kind of character to it, you know the woodwork and all that and trying to modernize it but keep it looking original for the most part and Yeah, I start that process with Pinterest and I'll just home in on sconces, you know, and I'll just play around and I'll throw it into that file and then I'll move on to you know repurposed wood Wall art, you know and just start, you know, and I just put together and then I said it over my contractor and go All right.
Here's what I got going. Here's what I think, you know, here's the tile I chose I chose three different types and you know patterns like, you know, what do you think and I Think we have a lot of cool tools these days. Heck tick-tock as well Yeah, you can find so much cool stuff on tick-tock
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (55:03 - 55:55)
Yeah, no, it's we've gotten and we've been kind of lucky enough to have you know People send us a lot of their products and a lot of their You know different different things to try out even if it's we've honestly got a lot more tools than necessarily other products But we have that's the great part about tick-tock is people say hey, we'll send you this make a video whatever, you know We want you to check it out. Try it what not and so that's been really cool, too Is we've seen a lot of stuff that we wouldn't necessarily get a try Otherwise or would wouldn't have the opportunity to know about except for a lot of these smaller companies That are using again social media to kind of try and grow their brand and grow their business and all that good stuff and so we definitely try to support that as much as we can to because you know, we're I love being able to kind of just show show the love where for the smaller businesses and and that sort of thing and and And all sort of good stuff rather than just going to the Home Depot or whatnot.
[Stephen Husted] (55:55 - 56:16)
Yeah, and I When you were saying that I was like, oh I can see this Being even this being big for you guys as well. I can see a lot of companies reaching out to you I follow this guy man Sean is it Sean Gates? He's super tatted out.
His face is tat. He's got a lot of tattoos on his face.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (56:16 - 56:19)
Hey Owen to talk. Yeah Arizona or something.
[Stephen Husted] (56:20 - 56:48)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he he like bought a piece of land and just did all the build-out But he's a he's a I think uh, I don't know if he's a licensed contractor I know he does bathroom remodels and he jack-of-all-trades when it comes to that, but You know, he had a tiny house put on his on his land and that company he was making content with them But I've seen a lot of partnerships with what he does tools.
You name it so I could definitely Yeah, you're gonna be down that road too.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (56:49 - 57:34)
That's kind of our goal. You know, we've We've had a couple people, you know reach out or lately trying to kind of you know Potentially look at doing some, you know kind of reality not I wouldn't call it reality But non scripted kind of TV stuff with us about the flips and everything And so we're kind of looking into that as of recently, you know trying to think if that would be an opportunity We we'd like to you know expand on and that sort of thing So, you know, we're just trying to take everything one step at a time You know and try not to get too ahead of ourselves and just see what we can do And and you know, we never we never like to to any opportunity that's presented to us We'd like to try to seize it as much as possible. So, you know Never turn it down.
I never never look anything anything that so yeah, that's awesome.
[Stephen Husted] (57:34 - 57:55)
I think that's great you guys I appreciate you guys jumping on today. It's good to you know, get to talk to you guys sometimes on social media You start to follow people, you know, you don't know any of the back story so it was great to get on here and it kind of hear what you guys got going on and guys got definitely got a bright future if If you can stay focused say no a lot
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (57:55 - 57:56)
Yeah
[Stephen Husted] (57:57 - 58:39)
Be my only advice Yeah, focus and say no a lot So where can where can the audience find you guys?
You find us on tick-tock on Instagram YouTube at helix and brothers our last name and then brothers Perfect and I will put this into the show notes as well so that people can Start to follow you guys because I think you guys are doing some really cool stuff. I I really appreciate you guys jumping on today it's been great to hear your story and Yeah, best of luck and I you know definitely want to stay in contact You you piqued my interest on a couple of things that I'd like to talk to you guys later on too. I think would Maybe be a smart investment move out there as well.
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (58:40 - 58:50)
Yeah. No, we'd love to yeah Definitely, we'd love to stay in touch and where are we know again love to love keeping contact and talk business for sure Dude, is that your is that your business sweatshirt?
[Stephen Husted] (58:50 - 58:50)
You're wearing?
[Carter and Larson Helikson] (58:51 - 59:16)
Yes. Yeah got the Yeah rocking the hats out, you know, we like to we like to keep it, you know I mean, I feel like that's pretty much my entire wardrobe now at this point. It's just our yeah This is like one of our this is one of our first ones when we were doing landscaping and stuff still so so yeah Yeah, yeah, I need one of those I like yeah, well I'll send one down to you Yeah, they stand they stand out.
[Stephen Husted] (59:16 - 59:52)
All right, you guys. Well, thanks a lot. You guys have a good rest of your day We'll definitely be in touch Awesome.
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